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Meeting Of The Kennel Club Obedience Liaison Council - Thursday 23rd January 2014

10 December 2013    11:00
 

MEETING OF THE KENNEL CLUB OBEDIENCE LIAISON COUNCIL - THURSDAY 23RD JANUARY 2014


AGENDA


ITEM 1. APOLOGIES FOR ABSENCE

 

ITEM 2. APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES

 

To approve the minutes of the meeting held on 16 May 2013 (copies previously

distributed).

 

ITEM 3. ASSURED BREEDER SCHEME

 

To receive a presentation on the Assured Breeder Scheme by Mr B Lambert, Health and Breeder Services Manager.

 

ITEM 4. MATTERS ARISING/RESULTS OF RECOMMENDATIONS

 

a.   Beginners Guide to Obedience

To consider the working copy of the 'Your First Obedience Show' document

with the aim of issuing it to all societies for their members. (Annex A refers - to follow)

 

b.   Crufts 2014

 

i.Obedience Information stand at Crufts 2014

To receive an update from Mr Rutter on the Obedience Information stand

at Crufts 2014.

 

ii.Improved promotion of Obedience at Crufts

To consider methods of improving the promotion of Obedience at Crufts

with particular reference to the Crufts Show Guide and the official Kennel

Club promotional video for the event.

 

iii.Obreedience

To receive information on the Obreedience Competition to be held at

Crufts 2014.

 

c.Promotion of Competitive Obedience in the regions

To consider methods to promote Competitive Obedience within the regions to

increase awareness and opportunities to participate in the discipline, possibly

through information sessions at Good Citizen Dog Scheme (GCDS) clubs.

 

d.Listed Status

 

i. To consider the introduction of Listed Status for Obedience following

approval in principal by the Activities Sub-Committee.

 

ii. To consider the regulation amendments which would be required for the

introduction of Listed Status for Obedience. ( Annex B refers)

 

For further information on the proposed introduction of Listed Status please see

the ' Obedience Listed Status Questions & Answers' document.

 

e. Review of nominations process for Council Representatives

To consider methods of amending the process and requirements for

nominations to the role of Council Representative.

 

ITEM 5. PROPOSALS FROM SOCIETIES/PRIVATE INDIVIDUALS

 

a. Mr S Rutter Mrs J Owen

The Council is requested to consider an amendment to Regulation G30.g(3) to

manage the order of the draw for Open classes to ensure competitors working

more than one dog are not drawn twice within the first 10 competitors in a class.

 

Regulation G30.g.(3) Ballot for Running Orders

 

To:

 

(3) Where a draw for the complete running order of Classes other than

Championship Class C is not made, Show Managements must conduct a

ballot to determine a running order for at least the first 10 competitors/dogs

in these classes: this may be reduced to 6 at shows with less than 200 dogs

entered or where there are less than 25 dogs entered in a specific class.

Once a competitor is drawn they may not be drawn again with any dog they

own in the same class or any other class at the same show.

Sub paragraph (3) does not apply to Limited Shows.

(Insertion underlined)

 

b.Mr P Lubbi                                  Mr P Driscoll

Mr Driscoll requests that the Obedience Council consider an amendment to

Regulation G35.h to disallow the use of check-chains in the competition ring.

Mr Driscoll states that check chains and other equipment whose sole use in the

context of competitive obedience is to physically correct the dog reflects out of

date, superseded training techniques which have no place in modern training.

A number of studies have shown that they are a negative training tool which can

harm a dog and their use gives Obedience a poor image and deters

newcomers.

Regulation G35.h Competing

To:

Dogs may only wear asmooth non-slip, buckled (or clip) collarwhen in the ring.

Check chains are not permitted.

(Amendments underlined)

 

c. Mr P Lubbi

The Council is requested to consider moving Regulation G30.f from

Management to become Regulation G33.b Judges and Judging. Mr Lubbi

states that there have been numerous complaints that judges are leaving the

ring whilst competitors are training which leaves themselves or the dog at risk if

anything inappropriate was to occur. By moving this regulation to Judges and

Judging it is considered that it will make it very clear that the dog must be

observed all the time in the ring.

To:

Regulation 33.b Judges and Judging

b. One judge only may officiate for each Class (or each part of a divided Class)

and must be present and observe the dog in the ring at all times.

(Existing regulations to be renumbered accordingly)

 

ITEM 6. DISCUSSION ITEMS

 

a.Mrs S Garner                               Miss M Newman

Linking Obedience with GCDS

 

Mrs Newman has requested that the Council discuss encouraging Obedience

societies to run a 'special' class at their shows for those who have been

awarded the Gold Good Citizen Award. The aim of the class would be to bring

new people into the sport by following their GCDS training through into

Competitive Obedience.

 

b.Mr M McCartney Lisburn Dog Training Club

Council Representative Nominations

Lisburn Dog Training Club requests that the Council consider amending the

requirements for an individual to be nominated as a Council Representative to

state that they should be a "working" member of a Kennel Club registered dog

club.

 

c.Mrs S Garner                              Mrs J Hill

Use of food under test

Mrs Hill requests that the Obedience Council provide clarification on the

interpretation of Regulation G35.g as food is often being allowed in the ring by

judges, particularly in Special classes.

 

Regulation G35.g

Food and/or toys shall not be carried or given to a dog under test.

Introductory Class excepted where toy and food rewards may be used between

and after exercises. Competitors must not distract other dogs when rewarding

their dog with food, toy or play. (Refer to Obedience Code of Conduct)

 

d.Mr S Rutter                      Miss A Wilkinson

Number of turns in a class

The Council is requested to discuss the introduction of a limit to the number of

turns permitted in each class. Miss Wilkinson advises that many consider that

too many turns in a class, particularly the lower classes, is leading to a large

amount of heelwork being required which is unnecessary and off putting for

competitors. The following Regulation amendments are suggested for

consideration:

 

G(A)5.f.(2) Introductory.

To:

Heel on Lead.The maximum number of turns for heel on lead must

not exceed 3 turns 10 points

 

G(A)6.b.(2) Pre-Beginners.

To:

Heel free.The maximum number of turns for both sets of heelwork

must not exceed 6 turns in total 20 points

 

G(A)7.b.(2) Beginners.

To:

Heel free.The maximum number of turns for both sets of heelwork

must not exceed 6 turns in total 20 points

 

G(A)8.b.(2) Novice.

To:

Heel free.The maximum number of turns for both sets of heelwork

must not exceed 8 turns in total 25 points

 

G(A)9.b.(1) Class A.

To:

Heel free.The maximum number of turns in heel free must not

exceed 8 turns 30 points

 

G(A)10.b.(1) Class B.

To:

Heelwork. The dog shall be required to walk at heel free and shall also be

tested at fast and slow pace. Each change of pace shall commence from the

halt position.The maximum number of turns for all the three paces

must not exceed 12 turns 40 points

 

G(A)11.d.(1) Class C.

To:

Heel Work. The dog shall be required to walk at heel free, and also be tested at

fast and slow pace. The dog shall also be required, whilst walking to heel at

normal pace, to be left at the stand, sit and down position.The total number of

turns for all three paces must not exceed 25 turns (this number to exclude about

turns during advanced stand, sit and down)60 points

 

G(A)12.e.(1) Multi-Choice Class.

To:

Heel free. The dog shall be tested at two paces of the handler's choice. The

change of pace is to take place on the move and the judge will be required to

specify which part of the test will be at the faster pace.The total number of turns

for both paces must not exceed 8 turns 20 points

(Amendments underlined)

 

e.Mr M McCartney                         Lisburn Dog Training Club

Kennel Club International Obedience Festival

Lisburn Dog Training Club requests that the Obedience Council re-consider the

creation of a Kennel Club International Obedience Festival to be run back to

back with the Kennel Club International Agility Festival. The Agility Festival is

very successful and it is considered that it would be of great benefit to

Obedience to try and 'piggy back' on to the idea and organisational set up. It is

suggested that Championship Classes and a World Cup event could be

included and that the event would assist to put Obedience back on the map.

It is understood that it has taken time to build up the success of the Agility

Festival and that it would take time for the Obedience Festival to reach that

level of success however it is felt that it would be worth the effort.

 

f.Mrs B Smith                                  Mr B McGovern

Barrier Fencing

Mr McGovern requests that the Obedience Council consider the introduction of

a requirement that barrier fencing is used for YKC, Introductory, Pre-Beginners

and Beginners classes. Concern has been raised at the number of instances of

dogs running out of the ring during these classes and the possibility of them

then entering other competition rings. Mr McGovern feels that constructing an

enclosure of barrier fencing around each of the aforementioned rings would

make the handler feel more comfortable and confident knowing that their dog

would be prevented from running off, possibly to other dogs or into other rings.

It would also prevent disruption and possible incidents with dogs in adjacent

rings and would keep the "escapee" safe and free from harm, especially if the

venue is on public property and without other fencing. It is considered that

placing an outer barrier of fencing surrounding the conventional ring would

prevent all of the above without giving the feeling of constriction for either

handler or dog.

 

g.Mrs S Garner                              Mrs H Troth

Introductory Class

Mrs Troth requests that the Obedience Council review the requirements of the

exercises in the Introductory Class. It is suggested that the length of the play

exercise should be increased and be completed off lead as some dogs find it

difficult to 'get going' and many competitors find it hard to hold the lead and use

a toy. It is requested that the requirement to only have a turn in one direction is

reviewed as this can be unfair to different sizes of dog. Mrs Troth suggests that

a circle in each direction and one about turn could be included without difficulty

to handlers, as a straight line with no turn does not allow larger breeds to get

into their stride. It is further suggested that the recall on lead is amended to off

lead with a finish as most handlers object to leaving the lead on their dog and

many finish their dogs to heel regardless of not needing to. Mrs Troth also

suggests that the stay exercise takes place in the stay ring rather than the

working ring due to the often large number of entries in the class. It is

suggested that the class should be a 'special class' rather than a scheduled

class as many Pre-Beginner and Beginner handlers do not want to have to

enter the class at shows. It is also considered that one win should be sufficient

and perhaps a class similar to special pre-beginners could be introduced to

bridge the gap and move handlers forward.

 

ITEM 7. STAYS

 

Discussion Items

 

a.Mrs G Garner                              Mrs V Howarth

Survey for Stays

 

Mrs Howarth requests that the Council consider the requirement to carry out a

survey of all those who currently compete in Obedience to ascertain whether a

change to the current format of stays is required. Mrs Howarth considers that

the survey should be designed and administered by a group drawn from all

levels of competition and the results of the poll should be implemented and

supported by the Council and competitors.

 

b.Mr R Page                                   Mrs C Porter

Clarification of Judging criteria

 

Mrs Porter requests that the Council provide clarification for judges when

applying the stay Regulations. It is stated that it has become apparent that

Judges are using criteria that does not exist in the Regulations to deduct marks

from dogs during the exercise. Judges are deducting marks for paddling,

sniffing, hip rolling and many other activities, when in reality these dogs are

complying with the Regulations, as they are remaining in position for the

duration of the exercise. Judges also often use the phrase "showing daylight"

when assessing the dog but with no real idea of what exactly is meant by this.

Mrs Porter states that a stay cannot be judged on the quality of the stay only on

whether it is carried out as stated. For example, if a dog sniffs the ground whilst

in the sit, but maintains that sit, it should be judged as clear. The following

Regulation amendments are suggested to clarify the judging criteria:

 

Regulation G(C)4.f Stays

To:

1) Sit Stay - Dogs should remain in the sit position throughout the test,and may

only be judged to have broken the stay if they move from the sit to another

position.

 

2) Down Stay - Dogs should remain in the down position throughout the test,

and may only be judged to have broken the stay if they move from the down to

another position.

(Amendment underlined)

 

Proposals

 

a.Mr H Wynne

Mr Wynne requests that the Council consider amending the stay Regulations as

there would appear to be an increased number of incidents occurring within the

stay ring. It is felt that there are a number of reasons as to why this is occurring,

such as size or location of the rings or training of the dogs however the problem

needs to be addressed particularly for the health and welfare of the dogs. The

following Regulation amendments are proposed to decrease the length of the

stay time and the number of points awarded for the exercise.

 

Regulation G(A).11.d Class C

To:

(1) Heel Work. The dog shall be required to walk at

heel free, and also be tested at fast and slow pace.

The dog shall also be required, whilst walking to

heel at normal pace, to be left at the stand, sit and

down position. 60 points

(2) Send Away, Drop and Recall.45points

(3) Retrieve any one article provided by the Judge.40points

(4) Distant Control. Dog to sit, stand and down. Six

instructions to be given. 50 points

(5) Sit 2 minutes, handler out of sight 20 points

(6) Down 7 minutes, handler out of sight35points

(7) Scent discrimination. The Judge's scent and one

or more decoys. There must be a minimum of 6

and up to a maximum of 10 scent cloths. 50 points

(8) TOTAL 300 points

(Amendments underlined)

 

This proposal would give a progression of the time of the Down out of sight stay

in Class A - 3 minutes, Class B - 5 minutes and Class C - 7 minutes.

 

OR

 

Regulation G(A).10.b Class B

To:

(1) Heelwork. The dog shall be required to walk at heel

free and shall also be tested at fast and slow pace.

Each change of pace shall commence from the halt

position 40 points

(2) Send Away, Drop and Recall. 40 points

(3) Retrieve any one article provided by the Judge.35points

(4) Sit 2 minutes, handler out of sight 20 points

(5) Down 4 minutes, handler out of sight25points

(6) Scent discrimination. The handler's scent with one

decoy. There must be a minimum of 6 and up to 10

scent cloths. 40 points

(7) TOTAL 200 points

(Amendments underlined)

 

Regulation G(A).11.d Class C

To:

(1) Heel Work. The dog shall be required to walk at

heel free, and also be tested at fast and slow pace.

The dog shall also be required, whilst walking to

heel at normal pace, to be left at the stand, sit and

down position. 60 points

(2) Send Away, Drop and Recall.50points

(3) Retrieve any one article provided by the Judge.45points

(4) Distant Control. Dog to sit, stand and down. Six

instructions to be given. 50 points

(5) Sit 2 minutes, handler out of sight 20 points

(6) Down 5 minutes, handler out of sight25points

(7) Scent discrimination. The Judge's scent and one

or more decoys. There must be a minimum of 6

and up to a maximum of 10 scent cloths. 50 points

(8) TOTAL 300 points

(Amendments underlined)

 

This proposal would give a progression of the time of the Down out of sight stay

in Class A - 3 minutes, Class B - 4 minutes and Class C - 5 minutes.

 

b.Mr S Rutter

Mr Rutter requests that the Council consider amending the stay Regulations to

modernise the exercise whilst maintaining it as an integral part of Obedience

tests. The proposed amendments would maintain the graduation between

classes, reduce the time both dogs and handlers spend in the stay ring and

reduce the time requirement for stay stewards to be at the ring. They would also

allow Pre-Beginner handlers the option to choose the dog's position and assist

to bridge the gap with the Special Pre-Beginners classes.

 

Regulation G(A).6.b Pre-Beginners.

To

(1) Heel on lead20points

(2) Heel free25points

(3) Recall15points

(4)Sit or Down 1 minute (Handlers' Choice),

Handler in sight. Handlers may face their dogs

should they wish15 points

 

Regulation G(A).7.b Beginners.

To

(5) Sit one minute, Handler in sight.Handlers may

face their dogs should they wish. 10 points

(6) Down1minute, Handler in sight. 20 points

 

Regulation G(A).8.b Novice.

To

(5) Sit 1 minute, Handler in sight.Handlers may

face their dogs should they wish. 10 points

 

Regulation G(A).9.b Class A.

To

(1) Heel free35points

(2) Recall20points

(3) Retrieve a dumbbell, handlers will use their own

dumbbell30points

(4) Sit 2 minutes, handler in sight 20 points

(4) Down 3 minutes, handler out of sight 30 points

(5) Scent discrimination. The handler's scent and no

decoys. There must be a total of 6 scent cloths.35points

(6)TOTAL 150 points

 

Regulation G(A).10.b Class B.

To

(4) Sit 2 minutes, Handlerinsight. 20 points

(5) Down3minutes, Handler out of sight. 30 points

 

Regulation G(A).11.d Class C.

To

(6) Down5minutes, handler out of sight. 50 points

(Amendments underlined. Deletion struckthrough)

 

ITEM 8. FIVE YEAR STRATEGY

 

a. To consider the creation of an online Obedience newsletter.

b.Progress Review

The Council is invited to note that all of the items are either in review or

resolved. Representatives are invited to propose further items to the Council's

five year strategic plan.

 

ITEM 9. ACTIVTIES HEALTH & WELFARE SUB-GROUP

 

a. The Council will receive a verbal update from Mrs Garner on the 11 December

2013 meeting of the Activities Health & Welfare Sub-Group.

 

b. The Activities Health & Welfare Sub-Group has raised a concern over the long

term physical effects on a dog of the position required for heelwork in

Obedience. The Council is requested to consider amending Regulation

G(C)1.c. to allow the 'working side' of the handler to be both sides rather than

just the left side.

 

ITEM 10. JUDGES WORKING PARTY

 

Mrs Garner will update the Council on the Judges Working Party meeting held on 26

November 2013.

 

ITEM 11. ANY OTHER BUSINESS

 

ITEM 12. DATE OF NEXT MEETING

 

The date of the next meeting of the Council will Tuesday 1 July 2014.

 

NOTES:

 

1. The Kennel Club will reimburse standard rail fares to all representatives attending the meeting, from

their addresses as recorded at the Kennel Club. Claim forms will be available at the meeting.

2. Those resident in Northern Ireland or Scotland may apply in advance for authority to substitute shuttle

air travel for standard rail fare, although it is requested that tickets are booked well in advance to take

advantage of any reduction in fares.

3. Please give advance notice of matters to be raised under Any Other Business. This assists the Office

if research is required. These items are discussed at the discretion of the Council Chairman.

4. Kennel Club Liaison Council Regulations state that the Kennel Club will bear the cost of all

reasonable and externally incurred costs connected with a Council, if agreed in advance. Therefore,

representatives should apply to the Kennel Club for approval of any costs they may wish to claim prior

to the expense being incurred.

 

THE KENNEL CLUB'S STRATEGIC OBJECTIVES

"To raise the relevance of the Kennel Club in the eyes of the public at large, dog owners

and those who take part in canine events, so as to be better able 'to promote in every way

the general improvement of dogs.' This objective to be achieved through:-

· Ensuring that the Kennel Club is the first port of call on all canine matters.

· Improving canine health and welfare.

· Popularising canine events focusing on the retention of existing participants and

the attracting of new.

· Achieving a widening of the Kennel Club membership base.

· Encouraging the development of all those concerned with dogs through education

and training.

· Encouraging more people to provide input in the Kennel Club's decision making

process."

 

Kennel Club Obedience Liaison Council Representatives

1 January 2013 to 31 December 2015

Midlands, Ms B Smith, 99 Highfields Road,

Chasetown, Staffs, WS7 4QS, Tel: 01543 674238,

Email: beverley.j.smith@bt.com

Scotland, Mr A Kousourou, Actim, 8 Powburn

Crescent, Kylepark, Uddingston, S Lanarkshire,

G71 7SS Tel: 01698 813817,

Email: andrew.kousourou@virginmedia.com

Midlands, Mr R Page, 2 The Glade, Shoal Hill,

Cannock, Staffs, WS11 1JH, Tel: 01543 505820,

Email:

shelaghandroy@showprinting.freeserve.co.uk

Scotland, Mr J McIntosh, 45 Shawstonfoot Road,

Bellside, Cleland, Lanarkshire ML1 5NY, Tel:

01698 860358

Midlands, Mrs M Ray, 13 Helmdon Close, Rugby,

Warks, CV21 1RS, Tel: 01788 561253,

Email: drayped@aol.com

South & South West, Mrs S Garner, Oakwood,

Tethering Drove, Hale, Fordingbridge, Hampshire,

SP6 2NH, Tel: 01725 511 117,

Email: suegarner4dogs@btinternet.com

North East, Miss A Benoist, 14 Marine Gardens,

Whitley Bay, Tyne & Wear, NE26 1EQ, Tel: 07702

469743, Email: girlsplusone@yahoo.com

South & South West, Mrs S Henstridge, 104 The

Crescent, Andover, Hampshire, SP10 3BN, Tel:

01264 360257, Email: stellazhivi@aol.com

North East, Mrs D Lavender, 63 Weetshaw Close,

Shafton, Nr Barnsley, S72 8PZ, Tel: 01226

715980, Email: debralavender60@yahoo.co.uk

South East & East Anglia, Mr R Harlow,

Starhaven, Sundridge Road, Chevening,

Sevenoaks, Kent TN14 6HB, Tel: 01732 462216,

Email: rharlow@btconnect.com

North West, Mr S Rutter, Galgate, 80 Long Lane,

Orford, Warrington, Cheshire, WA2 8PX, Tel:

01925 656175, Email: steve.rutter@tiscali.co.uk

South East & East Anglia, Mr P Lubbi, Layash, 2

Celia Crescent, Ashford, Middlesex, TW15 3NW,

Tel: 01784 258334,

Email: layash2@aol.com

North West, Mr R Wakelin, 41 Sandringham Road,

Boothstown, Worsley, Manchester, M28 1LX, Tel:

0161 790 8553,

Email: dogomatic@ntlworld.com

South East & East Anglia, Mr H Wynne, 10

Harding Close, Waterbeach, Cambridge, CB5

9RH, Tel: 01223 860991,

Email: hughwynne@wyncek.fsnet.co.uk

Northern Ireland, Mr M McCartney, Glen-Craig,

28 Moneybroom Road, Lisburn, Co. Antrim, BT28

2QP, Tel: 028 9262 2992,

Email: glencraigdogs@hotmail.com

Wales, Mr D Garrett, 69 Blaendare Road,

Pontypool, Gwent, NP4 5RU, Tel: 01495 764570,

Email: davidgigarrett@aol.com

Wales, Mrs J Jessop, Broad Eaves, Chepstow

Road, Langstone, Newport, Gwent, NP18 2JP,

Tel: 01633 412860,

Email: jenniferjessop@aol.com

ENDS


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